With the upcoming release of the movie about the superhero Black panther, we are seeing again the buildup of the already typical narrative that if you didn’t like the movie it’s because you’re a racist. We saw the same thing with ghostbusters, when a narrative was built claiming that every single person who didn’t like the film was sexist, and we have seen it since with various movies whenever they have a female or minority cast. It’s a way to deflect any criticism of the movie and excuse its failure by blaming the viewers with false accusations. Because, you know, the only possible reason to not like a blockbuster movie is because you hate women or minorities, it can’t possibly be because these movies are usually as simple as a lolipop. I’m not saying the movie will be bad; i’ve liked a few superhero movies, like the Iron man ones, or Wonder woman, but most of them are only worth for a 2 hours mild entertainment that i promptly forget.
In this case it has reached a point where Rotten tomatoes has threatened to ban people who give the movie a bad review if they think the review is hate speech. This would not be bad on itself until you consider how today everything under the sun is considered hate speech, and how some are already claiming that any negative review of the movie is racism. To prove this point, after one critic gave the movie a bad review, journalists, twitters and bloggers have been smearing that person for daring to give a bad review to a black movie, with headlines as wonderful as “Trump’s America Spoils Black Panther’s 100% Rotten Tomatoes score” or “Black panther is for movies what Barak obama was for politics”, arguing, like many are doing, that Black panther is the first blockbuster movie in history with a black protagonist, ignoring tons of movies like Blade, spawn, shaft, catwoman, men in black, Coming to America, etc. But the greatest claim of them all, is the one that the article in the comic, and some people in twitter, have made that Africa would be an ultra futuristic billionaire continent if it wasn’t for white people. Last time i checked a history book, Africa was already a pretty bad place when white people came arround, and their technological level wasn’t exactly state of the art. By that logic, Spain, which was occupied by the moors for almost 800 years, would be an ultra futuristic country if it wasn’t for them, and it should be as poor as Africa is right now. Instead, we are a normal European first world nation, and we were at a time the most powerful nation in the world.
The funniest thing about all of this, is that Wakanda, the fictional country that the movie is set on (and one some people believe is real), was actually in the comics an ultranationalistic state, with a big big wall surrounding it, that refuses any kind of inmigration or even tourism. T’chala is far, far more nationalistic and isolationist than Trump has ever been, to the point that the alt-right is making the joke that “he’s one of them”. And they’re probably not wrong.
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But on the other hand it is one thing giving a work of art proper criticism on it´s technical aspects.
It´s an entirely different thing to base your criticisms solely on weird over analysis of subtext that´s probably not there, not made on purpose, unimportant or entirely open for interpretation.
Is it adequate to call someone racist because the extent of their thoughts and criticisms towards any work of fiction that plays by its own rules sums to "This is SJW propaganda because they force diversity into the cast and it´s unrealistic that women/minorities would be presented this way"?
Is it fair to call an opinion of a work of art "hate speech" when that opinion makes the argument that any character of "X" or "Y" demographic should abide to a certain set of rules or that it is a problem that said demographic is even presented in the first place?
I don´t know, it seems pretty vague, over simplistic and specific of a criticism but maybe that´s just me.
I guess the days when people watched superhero flicks for fun are over man.
It´s the same dilema of Wolfenstein 2 all over again.
I´m not making the argument that people who say all negative criticism towards these movies are a form of racism are correct.
I´m just pointing out that you seem to forget that not all negative criticism have a solid valid basis.
So at least we agree on some things.
But my point is that Black Panther would NOT stand with the Alt-Righters NOR the SJWs, for reasons that I already explained in another comment of mine.
If anything, Black Panther's more of a Moderate Conservative.
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he trusts specific people, like cap and the avengers
but foreigners in general he doesn't.
example in the comic the ultimates
here is the cover so you can see which one
he built a ground base for the new Alpha flight squad in Washington DC, the entire place was place was staffed by people from Wankanda, as well his honor guard.
marvel.wikia.com/wiki/T%27Chal… (the guy that allows Captain America and Winter Soldier into his home and also willingly works with other superheroes that are not from his country while he's outside of his country).
marvel.wikia.com/wiki/T%27Chal… (the guy that worked with multiple superheroes and even joined superhero teams foreign to Wakanda in order to defend both his home and other countries, and even fell in love with somebody foreign to Wakanda -cough Storm cough-.)
He'd be the kind of guy that only allows visitors that legally traveled and legal immigrants to enter Wakanda.
In other words, aside from the monarchy, Black Panther's more of a moderate conservative, if anything.
Yes black panther works with the avengers
but doesn't open his country to other country's.
in fact even the movie version doesn't have open borders or immigration, all he is doing is now working with others.
I never said anything about "Black Panther opening borders", I'm only pointing out that since both Movie and 616 Black Panther are willing to work with foreign heroes, allow some foreigners into his country (some, NOT all), and both are even work outside their country, that proves that both 616 Black Panther and Movie Black Panther are NOT ultranationalists, but they are actually moderate nationalists and moderate conservatives.
Heck, 616 Black Panther is even willing to have legal immigrants (NOT illegal), eg. Storm, into his country, which further proves that 616 Black Panther is more of a moderate conservative and also more of a moderate nationalist.
Also, 616 Black Panther joined other superhero teams other than The Avengers, such as the Fantastic Four, Marvel's heroic version of the Illuminati (I do NOT believe in the Illuminati, I am just pointing out that Marvel made their own version of the Illuminati), and the Knights of Pendragon, further showing that 616 Black Panther is tolerant of some foreigners.
Also, Movie Black Panther allows Captain America into his country as a visitor and Winter Soldier into his country for protection from Tony Stark and Tony's team, which implies that Movie Black Panther is becoming tolerant to some foreigners.
With all that being pointed out, I can therefore confirm that Movie Black Panther and 616 Black Panther are both moderate conservatives and moderate nationalists.
not anymore the link i posted was from the latest comic taking place in the main 616.
the ultimates are in 616.
Yes he is willing to work with but again those are individuals.
not nations or cultures inside his home country.
" and the Knights of Pendragon, further showing that 616 Black Panther is tolerant of some foreigners."
yes i know, but again those are individuals, not populations or countries.
" which implies that Movie Black Panther is becoming tolerant to some foreigners."
again supporting my point on him supporting individuals.
the ultimates are in 616."
The Ultimates are only in 616 due to a mass crossover that combined universe. And 616 Black Panther and Ultimate Black Panther are still separate counterparts, exactly like how Movie Black Panther is another separate counterpart.
"Yes he is willing to work with but again those are individuals.
not nations or cultures inside his home country."
True, but he allows his allies to have positive opinions about their countries just as much as he loves his.
"Yes i know, but again those are individuals, not populations or countries."
But he's still tolerant to foreigners either way. Even though those foreigners are NOT an entire country, those foreigners are still a population of people in the sense that they are a group.
"again supporting my point on him supporting individuals."
It's called character development.
in the comics. its only one black panther, not talking about any other black panther.
"True, but he allows his allies to have positive opinions about their countries just as much as he loves his."
but that is there opinions, not about his county's polices, of closed borders, no immigration, which in the comics and movie is still happening.
"foreigners are still a population of people in the sense that they are a group."
now you are saying individuals represent the group, the avengers, and other superteams do not represent any group, religion, country etc etc.
just because he has a positive opinion on s person does not mean he has the same opinion on group, country etc etc.
as shown in the comics, he still supports a closed border nation.
"It's called character development."
its still individuals
As well as Tony Stark figured out how to make synthetic Vibranium out of a Paladium isotope.
Much as I love the marvel movies, a lot of the amazing world building the comics have done gets left out of them.
of the racist accusers don't really read comics in the 1st place,
and never even knew who BlackPanther ever was until CA:CW came out.
"Black panther is for movies what Barak Obama was for politics"....how do they mean?
BO was the 1st black president, and BlackPanther was the 1st black super hero.
Well yeah....and what else? Is that it?
Then in that case, it would have been better to say that:
"Barak Obama is for politics what Black panther was for comics"
(because y'know, there were absolutely no fictional black heroes anywhere before 1966)
And if one actually delves into the (fictional) politics of Wakanda,
then you realize that they don't seem to line up with BO's administration durning his 2 terms.
(as you pointed out somewhat)
of the racist accusers don't really read comics in the 1st place,
and never even knew who BlackPanther ever was until CA:CW came out."
spot on the nose dude, if you look at many of there arguments for Black panther, they all talk about him, as if this is the first time they have ever heard about a black superhero in general before this point.
or just ignore twitter, and timber in general
they cry for a product, and when product is made, they dont buy it, product dies off, and then they cry again, and the cycle stars all over again.
Y con todo esto de Disney y Fox, ¿habrá alguna chance de una boda entre Pantera Negra y Tormenta? ¿cómo había en los cómics antes de la película de los Vengadores?
I'm glad I stopped following the MCU a while back. I only like the Guardians of the Galaxy ones.
I haven't seen the movie and i'm not really interested. Superhero movies are usually low quality, and i never followed t'chala much in the comics.
So a chore you just have to muddle through and hope it doesn't leave too much of a mess?