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It have allways been my thinking than most of the female versions people make (or imagine) of themselves or male characters are wrong. Because almost everyone just made themselves as they are as male, but with a voluptuous female body. That's wrong for several reasons, first of, to have a female attractive body you would first need to have a male attractive body, wich you probably haven't. Even if you have it, you should take frame into consideration, a 1.80m tall guy with big muscles is probably attractive to woman, but how you translate that to a female char?, if you made the female version with big muscles she probably lose attractive to man, and if you try to save the attractive part by making her voluptuous you probably lose the muscles, so you best had to find an in beetwen design with a fitted body (or not?). Male jaws are squarer than females, so you cant really construct a female face form based on the male one (we would have an army of square jawed woman), you should probably look at the general craneal construction and convert it to female proportions, and relevant details like nose or eyes to make the version, and so on.

 
The second thing almost no one takes into consideration is psychology. Basically, you would not be the same as you are now if you were born a female. Because our personality is partialy constructed on education and experiences through our young ages, (part of it is instincts and biology) and that's something that will change a lot if you were a female. And personality affects our physical aspect, affects how much makeup you would use, what hair you would have (you will have the same hair that as a boy, like ranma?, most woman have it long), what hair color you would have (tint is most used on woman than men), what kind of clothes you will use. So, basically, there's no way to know how we will be at our actual age as females, we can only guess, basing on tastes or looking back at our young experiences, but those would vary a lot in the female case, since both sexes have different advantages and disadvantages. Maybe you were bullied in school as boy but you would have not being as girl (boys are much more bullied than girls in school), maybe you were taught different things and values, maybe you got taught how to take advantage of your female status, maybe you were told that you couldn't do some things because you were not a boy, etc etc.

Biology also have it's part, as males have more testosterone and that affects our attitude and, well, several other biologic differences, you get the drill.
 
So, considering our little capacity to know how we will be as females, from where this image comes from?. Well, it's a kinda fun story xD. I installed the game The Sims 3 some months ago, and realiced it have an option to create an identical twin of your character. So, i recreated myself as a character, using a lot of time and detail to make me as more accurate as possible, even my mother and sister helped to make it the same as me. Then i created a twin BUT changing his sex to female, and the result was what you see in the picture.
 
It is an accurate version?, well, i supose no one can really say for sure, but the nose, eyes and eye cavity matches mine, as do the hair (i personally think i would use short hair as female, cause i like womans with short har the most, so i think i can translate that taste into how i would have it as a woman) and the physical frame (i'm also thin). For clothes i have used a style i like on womans and i think i would use as female, but who knows, some people have said that my Sims female version is kind of scary and gloomy, maybe my female me would have reacted to that and became a gothic xD.
 
Btw i've used a painting style a little different than usual, i've found it a little easier, but i still prefer the usual.
 
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Siempre ha sido mi entendimiento que la mayoría de versiones femeninas que la gente hace (o imagina) de si mismos o personajes masculinos están mal. Porque la mayoría simplemente se hacen exactamente iguales a como son en chico, pero con un voluptuoso cuerpo de mujer. Eso esta mal por diversas razones, empezando porque para tener un atractivo cuerpo de mujer, primero deberías tener u atractivo cuerpo de hombre, cosa que probablemente no tengas. Incluso si lo tienes, se debe tener en cuenta la estructura corporal, un varón de 1.80m de altura con grandes musculos es probablemente atractivo para las mujeres, pero, ¿como lo traduces a un cuerpo femenino?, si la haces con grandes musculos probablemente pierda su atractivo para los hombres, pero te basas en que es atractivo para hacer la versión femenina voluptuosa, pierde los musculos, así que tendrías que tener mucho cuidad en encontrar un punto medio en que este bien entrenada y se note, pero marcar en exceso (¿o quiza no?). Las mandíbulas masculinas son más cuadradas que las femeninas, así que no se pueden traducir tal cual haciendo la cara femenina cogida de la masculina (o tendríamos un ejercito de chicas de mandíbula cuadrada), más bien deberías mirar a la forma general del cráneo y traducirlo a formas de chica, y coger detalles como nariz, ojos, etc, y traducirlos también a versiones mas pequeñas.
 
La segunda cosa que casi nadie tiene en cuenta es la psicología. Basicamente, no serias la misma persona que eres ahora si hubieras nacido mujer. Porque nuestra personalidad es en parte un producto de nuestra educación y experiencias en nuestros años jovenes (la otra parte seria instinto y biología), y eso es algo que puede cambiar muchísimo de hombre a mujer. Y la personalidad afecta nuestro físico, afecta cuanto maquillaje te pondrías, que pelo tendrías (¿llevarías el mismo pelo corto que seguramente lleves ahora, como ranma?, la mayoría de chicas lo tienen largo), que color de pelo tendrías (tintarse el pelo es mucho más común en mujeres), que tipo de ropa usarías, etc. Así que bacisamente no hay forma de saber como seriamos en la actualidad habiendo nacido del sexo opuesto, solo podemos conjeturar, basándonos en gustos y mirando atrás a nuestras experiencias, pero estas pueden cambiar mucho dependiendo del sexo, ya que cada uno tiene sus ventajas y desventajas. Quizás te hicieron bullying en el colegio, y siendo chica no te lo hubieran hecho (los chicos tienen más casos de bullying que las chicas), quiza te hubieran enseñado otros valores, quiza te hubieran enseñado como aprobecharte de ser chica, quiza te hubieran dicho que no podías hacer ciertas cosas por no ser chico, etc
 
Así que, teniendo en cuenta nuestra escasa capacidad para saber como seriamos en el sexo opuesto, ¿de donde viene esta imagen?. Bueno, es una historia divertida xD. Hace unos meses instale el juego Los sims 3, y me di cuenta que tiene una opción para sacar al hermano gemelo de tu personaje. Así que me hice a mi mismo dedicando tiempo y detalle para hacerme lo más exacto posible, hasta mi madre y hermana ayudaron. Entonces me cree un gemelo, PERO cambiando su sexo a chica, y el resultado es lo que veis en la imagen.
 
¿Es una versión acertada?, bueno, supongo que nadie puede decirlo con certeza, pero la nariz, los ojos y la cavidad ocular encajan, así como el pelo (personalmente creo que llevaría el pelo corto como chica, porque es como más me gusta en las mujeres, así que traduzco ese gusto en como me gustaría llevarlo como mujer) y la estructura corporal (yo también soy delgadito). Para las ropas he usado un estilo que me gusta ver en las chicas, por lo que creo usaría si fuera una, pero quien sabe, algunos han dicho que mi versión de los Sims da miedo o es tetrica, quizás mi yo femenina hubiera reaccionado a eso en su juventud y se hubiera vuelto gotica xD.
 
Por cierto que he usado un tipo de pintado algo distinto al que uso normalmente, lo he encontrado más fácil, pero aun así prefiero el que uso siempre
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Más que nada, haría incapie en esa bajada entre el cuello y el hombro, y un poco la nariz y cejas, corrigiendo esos detalles ya visualmente se expresa un poco más de feminidad. Además de la forma de la cabeza que a pesar de la mandíbula la cabeza como todo se sigue viendo masculina, por ejemplo en el chibi que la personaje dibuja se ven mucho más resueltos los aspectos que toco. cabeza un poquito más achatada, cejas que no causan ruido y una nariz que evidentemente no es tan larga (aunque esto último es bastante subjetivo, más que nada una opinión más apolínea)

Los aspectos que sí valoro bastante son la propuesta, es buen ejercicio considero dibujar nuestra versión del otro género, colores bien usados y pocisionados y a pesar del coloreado simple, no se ve mal ni flojo, good job!
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ValeTheHowl Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2017
Wow! You sure got a lot of thoughts into this! I got the same thoughts mostly. Although making a "rule 63" of themself is just a way to have fun for most people... so it's not that their versions are wrong, it's that they are making a female character, not a "female themelves". That would require a lot of thought indeed.
And I think it's quite impossible to know what we would look and act like if we were of the opposite gender. There are too many "what if"s in our life.

That said I'm guilty of drawing a female version of myself that looks pretty much like my (less sharp) face on a shapely female body. 
At least for the appareance I have excuses though. 
I am 1'80 with lot of muscles, but I do work out for my body since (sadly) I am a tad vain, so I'd probably work out as a female too in order to have an attractive body. 
Most of the women in my family are BIG (some taller than me) and curvy, so it makes sense to think female me would be tall and shapely. 
Most of my fashion sense is directly derived from my mother. Since I didn't really care about dressing well in the past, I just used to ask her to pick whatever clothes she though that would suit me and roll with it. 
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JormungandrsDaughter Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Professional Artist
I love it, it's a great idea, simple and yet thoughtful. From personal experience I feel females are bullied more on a psychological level, and once started it never ends, seeing my brothers bullied growing up is more a alpha male type thing, who ever is bigger and stronger gets respect but holding your own also gets respect, and they get over it. I think men can be more expressively emotional over things that's why they throw physical tantrums and tend to be more physically aggressive and sometimes violent. Just from my experience. Genetics is what gives us our physical appearance, and I think at least kinda like you our behavior is how we are raised in certain environments, and to a certain degree can influence our physical appearance, health, taste, exercise, clothes, music, art, religion, relationships, jobs. The list is like you said endless. I have to give you props for doing this, way awesome work and a bold step. I understand why you may get negative comments from some people, but it's art on paper and a mental level. We wouldn't have equal rights or opportunities if no one ever made a WE CAN DO IT! poster and where stuck in the kitchen being led to believe that's all we're good for, it starts as an idea then becomes an ideal. I already know I'm gonna get and eternity of shit for that comment but it's kinda the truth. I don't care, I'm already labeled a bitch, slut, whore, cum dumpster, tramp, cunt. Why? because I'm not afraid of being a sexual person, no it's because others are afraid that I'm different and they don't like me being something they are to afraid of being no matter how much they want to be like me. Raised by a Catholic family, but I'm not, I have a free will and I'm an adult. This shows me you are not closed minded and shut out other peoples thought without thinking about it first, you are open to different ideas and possibilities. You are a free thinker and people fear that, but that's not a bad thing. Without people like you art would slowly die and be forgotten. That's why Hitler burned books, because he was afraid of change and possibilities, free thinking, open mindedness, and acceptance. Let people be who they want to be, evolve, love, hug a stranger and if they say thanks, then they are cool, and if they freak and get weird or violent, say oops thought you weren't a douche bag LOL Hug Keep up the awesome work, look forward to more ;) (Wink) 
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KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
thx, people are usually very close minded about art
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RadicalDanny Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
Boys get more bullied then girls?!
I don't really agree on that. Though boys get more bullied physically by other boys, girls get bullied mentally by other girls.

Both can be down right nasty in their own right... ;)
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KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Of course, both bully and have their ways of bullying, but studies on bullying says that boys tend to receive (and create) more bullying than girls. Besides, it was an example on possibilities for personality changes.
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AliceSacco Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
"Because our personality is mostly constructed on education and experiences through our young ages..."

Just a little. If you're shy as female, you would be shy even as male
If you like heavy metal music as female, you woluld like heavy metal music even as male
If you draw well as female, you would draw well also as male.

Personalities are genetic, we are humans, not robots without personality.

Being said, I'm female, my mum wants to see me more girlish. I just don't care, I don't wear make up (I think is just a waste of time) and I'm working for a normally male job (indipendent comic artist, even if I'm still buildimg my future with my own hands), and I still not care about anything that is secondary.
If I was a male, I would do the same.

The sims is fun, I'm waiting for Sims 4 (I don't like Sims 3, too awkward for a realistic graphic) .
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KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I have to disagree, we do not born with a pregenerated and unamovible personality, we born with some traits that latter are molded by our experience and what we are taught or we seen in others. A "dangeorus species dog" is not dangerous at all if you don't teach him to be dangerous, and the same is with humans.

We have of course some instincts burned into our genetic memory (but those are usually for everyone the same), and some tastes will be from born (music can be a born taste, but also you can like a music style cause your parents listened that songs in your youth and you came to like them, or you can join a music urban tribe just to feel identified within a group), but a girl is shy if her experiences lead her to be shy, if people arround her treat her bad she will probably be shy cause she will underate herself, but if every boy in school wants to go out with her and she knows it, it's difficult she will be shy. A girl will be a good drawer if she practice in drawing, and her condition and experiences may lead her to not draw, if everyone arround her told her against drawing, she may stop, and thus she will not be good at drawing (besides, drawing is not a personality trait, is a manual skill). 

So, we are not exactly like robots, but we are not genetically engeneered also, we are like puppys, we will grow as our teachings and experiences make us to grow, you can be a restless puppy from born, but you are teached discipline and that becames a mantra for you, you can be a valiant puppy from born, but you are hitted for everything by your master, and then became scared from contact.

So, even if you say you will be the same, i doubt it, maybe your experiences would have lead you afar from drawing (comic artist a male job? oO), you wouldn't had ever an argument with your mother about being more girly, she would probably had encouraged you then to do male things, and then maybe you would have agreed (if you like male things) and joined a sport team, knowing diferent people and having diferent experiences, or maybe you do the contrary just to go against her wishes in an act of rebeldy, and became a somewhat girly male. The possiblities are many, and the most doubtful is that you will be exactly the same, because there's many differences in how society, friends, school and parents treat a boy and a girl.

(btw i don't like the sims, i just tried that experiment xD)
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AliceSacco Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
"and her condition and experiences may lead her to not draw, if everyone arround her told her against drawing, she may stop, and thus she will not be good at drawing"

I was told that for years and years, but I kept drawing.

About personality, it seems that you think that if we are left in nature, we will be almost without personality. Let us talk about animals like cats, that can't be influenced like dogs. I have two cats. I know for sure that they never got mistreathed, nor as kitten nor as adult (also because I had both of them when they were kittens)

My first cat is aggressive, she hisses to everybody and she even bite. She doesn't trust anybody when she is out from home, but at home she has no problem with any human. Also she's higly intelligent for a cat.
My second cat is more sweet, she never hisses. She's very brave (once she was almost like a dog), even if she is more shy toward humans. When she had to take medications, she stayed still, with her body relaxed and left us to give her meds even if she disliked that. 

I've ever heard that is mainly a male job, but I didn't understand why, so I didn't care.
Somethimes my mum encouraged me to do things I disliked (like dancing). I did them for a while (without liking them) but I stopped. As a child I did more neutral things than male things. I used my toys to create stories and I even created toys.

I don't wear makeup to rebel. I never though that as an act of rebellion. I weared makeup twice when I was a teenager, but it wasn't really comfortable, or better, when is on your face you don't even notice you wear it, but the moment you are in front of the mirror, is waste of time.
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KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I don't see how anything of that deny anything i said, i'm setting examples of the whole and you are disscusing them in the personal level, wich is not the point, i've exposed a few of a hundred possibilities of things that would be different in you with different experiences and education, not disscusing what you have or haven't done and why.

I will try then to make example with myself rather than you, maybe that will be easier. You say people have told you to stop drawing, so were i. I had to study my first year of High school in Language instead of Arts because my parents forbid me to do Arts. They only allowed me to do so in the second year, when they saw i was serious, and then i shifted school, and later on i went to Art university.

But, what if they had been consistent and serious in their prohibition?, what if they even, as i have seen in other families, threatened me to throw me from home even if i paid myself the university with a job?, i had at that time almost 0 experience and possibilities to obtain a job wich allowed me leave home and pay university and rent. In that case, i would have went to another career (probably psychology, since i'm good in that and i like it), i would have never met the people i know and go out with today, the artists i know and have helped or influenced me in one way or another, i wouldn't have had the same girlfriends i met there. Instead i would have met an entirely diferent people, with no art interest, with another ideologies and opinions, i would have been influenced by them in different ways, my concept of the world, the art, and many things would be different because my experiences during the last 13 years would have been completelly different. I would not been the same person i am today, i would not have the same level of drawing, this drawing probably wouldn't exists and we would not be talking.

And that HUGE change comes only for a SINGLE decission of my parents 13 years ago. Now imagine with HUNDREDS of decissions that would have been different, either by you, your parents or the people surrounding you, if you had a different gender. Not only that, you have to realice that changes are exponential, it's the butterfly effect, one change leads to more changes and so on, a single different choice when you had 2 years old would create an entirely different life, and we are talking about changes in the same family in the same situation, now try to think if would be the same if you were born black in a guetto in the Bronx, with your father in a gang, having to fight everyday just to survive, you think you would have done an arts career at university and would be doing comics right now?, it's not more likelly that the situation simply made you forgot about drawing and focused in winning inmediate money to eat?, and sawing gang fights and deaths every week and being hated and attacked by white people would have changed your perception of the world, living with those people wouldn't have influenced the way you dress, the hair you have, or your opinions?

Cats, and every animal, is the same, each of them have some different instincts, cats have a more independant nature as a whole, and we have the addition of society, but in the end they are influenced by experience. A cat who tries to jump to a far place when kitten, will hurt himself, learn the lesson, and take better measurment of distance in the future, whereas another cat, who didn't tried it as kitten, will be more careless, go outside the house as adult, try to jump a far distance, and kill himself. Cats and other animals don't have societies, are not usually treated different by gender and even if they are they don't understand it and don't care, but we humans do, so being of a different gender since born influences how everyone and everything arround you treats you, and that influences you, the decissions you make, and the ones made by others about you, wich also influences decissions made by you based on their deccissions, and so on exponentially. 

And that's without even bringing up the different genetics of man and woman, levels of testosterone, etc, etc, that influences the way we act. It's basically almost statisticaly impossible that you would be the same.
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BalloonPrincess Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
:heart::heart::heart::heart:Nicely done!:heart::heart::heart::heart:
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KukuruyoArt Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
thx :)
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:heart::heart::heart::heart:My pleasure!:heart::heart::heart::heart:
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